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SamplesBoi
#1 Yesterday 00:49:08

AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

So I have this crappy old medium sized WinForms/C# SQL Server app.  It has some flaws, totally my fault.  One thing I don't like is it uses a mix of stored procedure calls to do database transactions and embedded SQL, about 50/50.  And the embedded SQL is 60% not parameterized, using just (unsafe) string concatenation.  I'd love to go through the program and clean it up so I don't look like a tard anymore.  I'd like to convert both to parameterized SQL so it is consistent and I don't need a bunch of stored procedures anymore and I lose the unsafeness of the unparameterized SQL.   Also, I'd like it to move all the SQL statements into one source file as constants.  That would require knowing a little bit about how SQL works, string manipulation, what database to look up the stored procedures into to get the SQL out, etc.  But it's extremely mechanical and requires zero judgment.  Could an AI do that?  NE1 KNOA?

~308 files, 32MB of source code.

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#2 Yesterday 00:53:50

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

Why don't you enter your entire question into Claude & ChatGPT for a response?

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#3 Yesterday 00:54:27

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

Remember when you claimed to "write a USB driver" and it turned out all you did was populate return values in a Visual Studio project template?

You won't be "employed" for long.

snicker

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.,
#4 Yesterday 00:57:29

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

SamplesBoi wrote:

So I have this crappy old medium sized WinForms/C# SQL Server app.  It has some flaws, totally my fault.  One thing I don't like is it uses a mix of stored procedure calls to do database transactions and embedded SQL, about 50/50.  And the embedded SQL is 60% not parameterized, using just (unsafe) string concatenation.  I'd love to go through the program and clean it up so I don't look like a tard anymore.  I'd like to convert both to parameterized SQL so it is consistent and I don't need a bunch of stored procedures anymore and I lose the unsafeness of the unparameterized SQL.   Also, I'd like it to move all the SQL statements into one source file as constants.  That would require knowing a little bit about how SQL works, string manipulation, what database to look up the stored procedures into to get the SQL out, etc.  But it's extremely mechanical and requires zero judgment.  Could an AI do that?  NE1 KNOA?

~308 files, 32MB of source code.

have you seriously never used AI - like at all? It could easily do this. You'd have to be the "supervisor" and tweak it with some iterations - but this question makes it sound like you've never even tried using AI for anything?? confused

With your intrinsic knowledge of the what you're trying to do it would be faster to use AI to do this than try to pawn it off/explain it to some other dev.

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#5 Yesterday 00:59:28

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

SamplesBoi wrote:

So I have this crappy old medium sized WinForms/C# SQL Server app.  It has some flaws, totally my fault.  One thing I don't like is it uses a mix of stored procedure calls to do database transactions and embedded SQL, about 50/50.  And the embedded SQL is 60% not parameterized, using just (unsafe) string concatenation.  I'd love to go through the program and clean it up so I don't look like a tard anymore.  I'd like to convert both to parameterized SQL so it is consistent and I don't need a bunch of stored procedures anymore and I lose the unsafeness of the unparameterized SQL.   Also, I'd like it to move all the SQL statements into one source file as constants.  That would require knowing a little bit about how SQL works, string manipulation, what database to look up the stored procedures into to get the SQL out, etc.  But it's extremely mechanical and requires zero judgment.  Could an AI do that?  NE1 KNOA?

~308 files, 32MB of source code.

sort of. you'd better have a good look at the code it produces before you put it into production.

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#6 Yesterday 01:04:09

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

., wrote:

have you seriously never used AI - like at all? It could easily do this. You'd have to be the "supervisor" and tweak it with some iterations - but this question makes it sound like you've never even tried using AI for anything?? confused

With your intrinsic knowledge of the what you're trying to do it would be faster to use AI to do this than try to pawn it off/explain it to some other dev.

If you haven't noticed, he's really dumb.

He's admitted to working a lower wage computer grunt job. I'm guessing he's a government employee.

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SamplesBoi
#7 Yesterday 01:10:58

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

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If you haven't noticed, he's really dumb.

He's admitted to working a lower wage computer grunt job. I'm guessing he's a government employee.

You see the size of this project I just mentioned?  It runs a private company, ever single person uses it including the CEO and head accountant.  It feeds field service mobile apps that the field staff use.  It sends and receives both texts and emails to the customers and sends and receives data from the website the customers use.  It's 22 years of work at this point.  Part time (other than the first few years).  I worked other companies full time as I did this, including 3 Fortune 500 companies.

Of course this is not the Android or website (PHP) code, that is a different code base that I 100% did as well.

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Heekee
#8 Yesterday 01:43:40

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

Opus 4.6 would have no problem doing this in one shot, trevs are obsolete horsie

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SamplesBoi
#9 Yesterday 01:46:04

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

Heekee wrote:

Opus 4.6 would have no problem doing this in one shot, trevs are obsolete horsie

What does that cost to try?  What do you think it would cost to process a job this size?

I'm worried about size.  308 files.  Are AIs OK with working on that much code?

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#10 Yesterday 01:46:18

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

SamplesBoi wrote:

You see the size of this project I just mentioned?  It runs a private company, ever single person uses it including the CEO and head accountant.  It feeds field service mobile apps that the field staff use.  It sends and receives both texts and emails to the customers and sends and receives data from the website the customers use.  It's 22 years of work at this point.  Part time (other than the first few years).  I worked other companies full time as I did this, including 3 Fortune 500 companies.

Of course this is not the Android or website (PHP) code, that is a different code base that I 100% did as well.

It's garbage code by your own admission (unsafe SQL, etc), probably cut and pasted from Stack Overflow.

The fact that you are proud of that sack of shyt speaks volumes. You're probably the only one who can decipher the spaghetti code so they keep you on.

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#11 Yesterday 01:48:54

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

Heekee wrote:

Opus 4.6 would have no problem doing this in one shot, trevs are obsolete horsie

That means you're obsolete, which I doubt.

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#12 Yesterday 02:37:26

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

We just replaced something similar with NetSuite. lol

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Heekee
#13 Yesterday 02:43:58

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

SamplesBoi wrote:

What does that cost to try?  What do you think it would cost to process a job this size?

I'm worried about size.  308 files.  Are AIs OK with working on that much code?

using the Claude Opus 4.6 model through github copilot it would cost less than $10 since you get 100 requests in a month with that.  Would be plenty

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SamplesBoi
#14 Yesterday 03:13:53

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

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We just replaced something similar with NetSuite. lol

What did your customization cost?  Current company I am at did something similar with a similar cloud ERP product and it's the customization that gets you, not licensing.  It's been hundreds of thousands of dollars for customization and now it maybe 80% aligns with their business and their manufacturing requirements.  The thing I have made over the last 20 years for this one client is very unique at least in the way it handles manufacturing, installation, and service because of the way they do business.  Probably 80% of all work they have ever done is unique in major ways.  They don't have a lot of stock parts or any pure stock products.

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Sockpuppet
#15 Yesterday 03:35:24

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

You’ll want to do this with an agent (not a chat bot) and give it access to the repo or a copy of the repo.

I’d approach it in batches. Think about how you’d do the work in phases. Then direct the AI to do the same. Heekee says it could do it in one turn. I don’t know. Maybe with some great prompt. If you go in phases you can check its work after each phase and see what it is actually doing. This helps you supervise and learn as well. 

Honestly, if you haven’t used an AI for this stuff before then this is a bit chunky of a first go. But it will do it. I just strongly believe you will benefit from phasing it.

Also, even if you are phasing it, don’t end the session between phases. You’ll lose context. And it can cost more money to rebuild context. That said, if things start getting weird then dropping context can be a good thing to get the AI back on track and not anchored to dumb things it might have done. AIs are frustratingly often either over anchored or under anchored.

Finally, before you start the agent work, I’d explain your goals to a chat bot. Have a good discussion. And then have it produce a prompt for the agent. The agent is your developer. You and the chat bot are the ARB.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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SamplesBoi
#16 Yesterday 04:02:10

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

Sockpuppet wrote:

I’d approach it in batches. Think about how you’d do the work in phases. Then direct the AI to do the same. Heekee says it could do it in one turn. I don’t know. Maybe with some great prompt. If you go in phases you can check its work after each phase and see what it is actually doing. This helps you supervise and learn as well.

It's should be very easy to batch this.  Each file can be done separately, all the AI has to know is how to recognize embedded SQL and then parameterize it and recognize SP calls and then look up the code for that SP and rewrite the SP call as a parameterized embedded SQL statement.  When it can do the most complex file competently, it should be able to do them all competently.

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SamplesBoi
#17 Yesterday 04:03:37

Re: AI Tards: I Have A Requirement That Any Beginner Programmer Could Do, Probably 100% Accurately And Without Supervision. Can An AI Do This For Me Accurately?

I don't want to spend a lot on this but I can certainly just pass it through to my client.

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