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> No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

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anon user #3
#1 2022-12-01 04:53:22

No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

Should we all really have to pay collectively for the people who refused the vaccine to be in a nursing home for the rest of their life?

Maybe it should be that if you can't show proof of vaccination you are left to "the free market".

I know many of you will cry about this but if you refused to get the vaccine and boosters then YOU chose this.  Premium care ought to be reserved for those who got vaccinated.

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Norpel is one of millions of Americans with long Covid, also known as long-haul Covid, post-Covid or post-acute Covid syndrome. While definitions vary, long Covid is, at its core, a chronic illness with symptoms that persist for months or years after a Covid infection.

Up to 30% of Americans who get Covid-19 have developed long-haul symptoms, affecting as many as 23 million Americans, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Long Covid could be ‘the next public health disaster’...

The country is about to enter its fourth calendar year of the coronavirus outbreak, and new variants are expected to make for a tough winter.

Researchers think most Americans have had Covid-19 at this point.

Studies suggest subsequent infections raise the chances of an “adverse” outcome, including hospitalization and death. The virus has killed more than 1 million Americans to date, and some 2,000 more die each week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Long Covid demonstrates that the virus is taking a lingering, pervasive and perhaps even more insidious toll. Medical experts have called it “the next public health disaster in the making.”

“There are just large numbers of people affected by this,” said Dr. Peter Hotez, co-director of the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children’s Hospital and a dean at Baylor College of Medicine.

That number will “only continue to grow” as Covid-19 continues to circulate, HHS said in a recent report.

“This could be game-changing in terms of how we do medical practice, in the same way HIV/AIDs was a game-changer,” Hotez said.
... one with a significant financial toll

But the tentacles of long Covid reach far beyond its medical impact: from the labor gap to disability benefits, life insurance, household debt, forfeit retirement savings and financial ruin.

This article is the first of a CNBC special report examining long Covid’s destructive impact on individuals, families and the U.S. economy at large.

All told, long Covid is a $3.7 trillion drag on the U.S. economy — about 17% of our nation’s pre-pandemic economic output, said David Cutler, an economist at Harvard University. The aggregate cost rivals that of the Great Recession, Cutler wrote in a July report.

Cutler revised the $3.7 trillion total upward by $1.1 trillion from an initial report in October 2020, due to the “greater prevalence of long Covid than we had guessed at the time.” Even that revised estimate is conservative: It is based on the 80.5 million confirmed U.S. Covid cases at the time of the analysis, and doesn’t account for future caseloads.

Higher medical spending accounts for $528 billion of the total. But lost earnings and reduced quality of life are other sinister trickle-down effects, which respectively cost Americans $997 billion and $2.2 trillion.

“Long Covid will be around long after the pandemic subsides, impacting our communities, our health care system, our economy and the well-being of future generations,” the HHS report said.

Norpel was the household breadwinner, which allowed her husband to care for their kids. The family has been living on income from a long-term disability policy, a vestige of her old job; the funds replace just a third of her prior pay. Norpel’s husband must now juggle caretaking duties and the necessity of finding work, both for income and health insurance.

The money worries are multitude: the ability to continue funding her daughter’s college education, the odds of raiding retirement accounts or selling their home to subsist. Norpel’s 16-year old son recently wondered if he should get a job to support the family; but he doesn’t even have a driver’s license.

“All of it is just very heartbreaking,” said Norpel, adding that “long Covid changed everything.”
What is long Covid? It ‘depends on who you ask’

While there are still many unknowns about long Covid — shorthand for its scientific name “post-acute sequelae of Covid,” or PASC — what we do know so far is startling, experts say.

Anyone who’s had Covid-19 can develop the condition. People can get it regardless of the severity of their initial infection or the virus variant, according to the World Health Organization. It affects all age groups, even those who were previously fit and healthy.

Studies suggest women are at higher risk than men; one study found adult females to be twice as likely to have long-haul symptoms. People of color are also more likely to get sick due to the increased likelihood of a Covid-19 infection and less access to high-quality health care; it’s also more common in bisexual and trans people due to reduced care access and the stigma regarding their gender or sexuality, the HHS said in an October report.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/why-lon … aster.html [Highly Credible Source (Liberal)]

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anon user #3
#2 2022-12-01 04:54:46

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

Obviously we simply don't have enough resources.  So it only seems fair to me to let the unvaccinated fend for themselves.

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#3 2022-12-01 05:01:30

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon user #3 wrote:

Obviously we simply don't have enough resources.  So it only seems fair to me to let the unvaccinated fend for themselves.

Round up and kick out every illegal. We'll suddenly have a lot more 'resources'.

You fuqing scumbag diversity advocate enemy of America.

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anon user #3
#4 2022-12-01 05:08:48

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

Or maybe simply assign the unvaccinated a lower priority.  They get care if and only if at that time the facility isn't at capacity taking care of vaccinated patients.

Perhaps a tier system can be set up like so:

Level 1 - fully vaccinated with boosters dating back to June 2021.
Level 2 - Fully vaccinated but last booster >1 year ago.
Level 3 - Fully vaccinated over 1 year ago, but no boosters.
Level 4 - One vaccine dose (not complete).
Level 5 - No vaccination at all.

For long covid care, level 1 gets priority over level 2, and level 2 gets priority over level 3 and so on.

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anon user #3
#5 2022-12-01 05:16:10

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

Also if it is going to cost $3.7 trillion then we are definitely going to need to take into account vaccination status when setting insurance rates.

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#6 2022-12-01 05:17:10

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

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#7 2022-12-01 05:37:26

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon loser's shytty, shytty trolls here somehow manage to get worse every day.  thumbdown

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#8 2022-12-01 05:40:35

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

wrote:

Round up and kick out every illegal. We'll suddenly have a lot more 'resources'.

Even anon loser's spic boyfriend?  snicker

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#9 2022-12-01 05:41:50

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

The Vaxes don't absolutely prevent infection. So it's possible to have long covid and adverse outcomes vaxed or not. The vax helps, but it's not perfect.

Someone in my family seems to have had an adverse reaction to the vax. SO I avoid it. But I'm sure it works well for most others.  I'll get it when they have a traditional vaccine booster lijek the flu shot.

Or oral preventative meds. Whatever.

There isn't a limited healthcare resource that we need to ration to others based on some sense of social justice.

You're one to talk as you pay in very little to the system to cover others. You should be thankful for affordable care.

Remember when there was debate over whether autism could be caused by vaccines? Who's doubting Jenny McCarthy now?

Until they get their shyt together and provide clear evidence to the public of the safety for everyone, you can't make everyone one take it.

They need to offer compensation and care assistance for those affected. They need to address these issues directly.

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#10 2022-12-01 06:03:48

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

I thought we had decided that something like 90% of all Americans have now had COVID.

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GroomerAU
#11 2022-12-01 11:23:10

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

You vaxxed will be dying off soon anyway so don’t worry about it.

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anon user #3
#12 2022-12-01 13:42:39

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

wrote:

The Vaxes don't absolutely prevent infection. So it's possible to have long covid and adverse outcomes vaxed or not. The vax helps, but it's not perfect.

Someone in my family seems to have had an adverse reaction to the vax. SO I avoid it. But I'm sure it works well for most others.  I'll get it when they have a traditional vaccine booster lijek the flu shot.

Or oral preventative meds. Whatever.

There isn't a limited healthcare resource that we need to ration to others based on some sense of social justice.

You're one to talk as you pay in very little to the system to cover others. You should be thankful for affordable care.

Remember when there was debate over whether autism could be caused by vaccines? Who's doubting Jenny McCarthy now?

Until they get their shyt together and provide clear evidence to the public of the safety for everyone, you can't make everyone one take it.

They need to offer compensation and care assistance for those affected. They need to address these issues directly.

Well you said it yourself "The vax helps, but it's not perfect."

So those refusing the vax without a doctor's note should be made to pay a higher cost.  Why should society pay $4 trillion to take care of a bunch of losers who swallowed some bullshyt on "The Lizard People Hunter" blog?

No one is forcing anyone to get the vax.  But if you don't get it, you have to pay.  That's how insurance works!

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anon user #3
#13 2022-12-01 13:43:43

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

All these people not getting the vax are basically asking for a free ride.  No.  That's not how it works!  You refused the vax so you are a higher risk.  Pay up and get to the back of the line!

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anon user #3
#14 2022-12-01 13:46:00

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

As someone who is up to date with my boosters, I should go to the front of the line before anyone unvaxxed when at a hospital or even waiting for prescriptions.  The unvaxxed should always be at the back and behind everyone else in priority.

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TesticularFortitude
#15 2022-12-01 15:35:14

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon user #3 wrote:

As someone who is up to date with my boosters, I should go to the front of the line before anyone unvaxxed when at a hospital or even waiting for prescriptions.  The unvaxxed should always be at the back and behind everyone else in priority.

So is there any proof the vax protects against long covid? lol
worf_facepalm.gif

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#16 2022-12-01 15:42:54

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon user #3 wrote:

Well you said it yourself "The vax helps, but it's not perfect."

So those refusing the vax without a doctor's note should be made to pay a higher cost.  Why should society pay $4 trillion to take care of a bunch of losers who swallowed some bullshyt on "The Lizard People Hunter" blog?

No one is forcing anyone to get the vax.  But if you don't get it, you have to pay.  That's how insurance works!

The way insurance "works" is corporations shake hands and exchange a much larger sum in your name, and you get to pay a cash co-pay for services.

You are welcome to go to the front of the line for that.

But then what if we do genetic testing to prove your susceptibility to one disease or the other. I mean, that's "your fault" right? So you should be penalized, right? You should have healthcare withheld to teach you a lesson for your faulty genetics, and those with better genetics should go first in healthcare, why not first in life?

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#17 2022-12-01 17:14:16

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

Long COVID!!!!!


aaahhh


GET MOAR JABS!!!!!!

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#18 2022-12-01 17:15:45

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon user #3 wrote:

Should we all really have to pay collectively for the people who refused the vaccine to be in a nursing home for the rest of their life?

Maybe it should be that if you can't show proof of vaccination you are left to "the free market".

I know many of you will cry about this but if you refused to get the vaccine and boosters then YOU chose this.  Premium care ought to be reserved for those who got vaccinated.


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/why-lon … aster.html [Highly Credible Source (Liberal)]

You do realized people who got the "vaccine" are also susceptible to so called "long covid", right?

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#19 2022-12-01 17:16:08

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

wrote:

Round up and kick out every illegal. We'll suddenly have a lot more 'resources'.

You fuqing scumbag diversity advocate enemy of America.

FUQ YES!!


potd

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#20 2022-12-01 17:16:51

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

GroomerAU wrote:

You vaxxed will be dying off soon anyway so don’t worry about it.

pray

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#21 2022-12-01 19:00:23

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon user #3 wrote:

All these people not getting the vax are basically asking for a free ride.  No.  That's not how it works!  You refused the vax so you are a higher risk.  Pay up and get to the back of the line!

But, Sir...  The vaccinated are the ones getting sick.

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anon user #3
#22 2022-12-01 21:04:22

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

wrote:

You do realized people who got the "vaccine" are also susceptible to so called "long covid", right?

Yes but in far reduced risk.

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anon user #3
#23 2022-12-01 21:06:29

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

TesticularFortitude wrote:

So is there any proof the vax protects against long covid? lol

The researchers found that receiving two COVID-19 vaccine doses, with the last at least two weeks before SARS-CoV-2 infection almost halved (a 41% decrease) the odds of developing Long COVID symptoms.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/covid … long-covid

Check!  Your move.

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#24 2022-12-01 21:07:44

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

anon user #3 wrote:

Yes but in far reduced risk.

There is NO evidence of that. None. Just like your retarded cloth and paper masks. Fuq you. You should be deported immediately along with all the illegals so we have 'resources'.

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anon user #3
#25 2022-12-01 21:12:22

Re: No Vax, No healthcare provided. Long Covid may be 'the next public health disaster' — with a $3.7 trillion economic impact rivaling the Great Recession

wrote:

There is NO evidence of that. None. Just like your retarded cloth and paper masks. Fuq you. You should be deported immediately along with all the illegals so we have 'resources'.

I already posted evidence.

See https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/covid … long-covid

Let me guess.  It doesn't count because it is not approved by the MyPillow guy, right? rolleyes

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