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anon user #3
#1 Yesterday 12:53:03

How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

As Florida legislators debated sweeping reforms in 2022 to rescue the state’s property insurance industry, state regulators sat on a secret report that showed many insurers were bleeding cash on paper while shifting millions to sibling companies whose profits remained secret.

The state successfully kept these explosive, company-by-company details hidden from the public — until the Orlando Sentinel and South Florida Sun Sentinel obtained the unredacted data this summer. Now, in a bid to bury the findings, the Florida Senate is threatening the news organizations with “civil or criminal legal implications” if they refuse to immediately shred the evidence.

The report shows exactly what the state is fighting to protect.

In it, a consultant concluded that 20 property insurers were paying their affiliated companies fees that it deemed exceeded Florida’s legal standard of “fair and reasonable.” The list included leading insurers like Clearwater-based Heritage Property & Casualty Insurance Co. and Fort Lauderdale-based Universal Property & Casualty Insurance Co., the report shows.

It also flags three insurers that collapsed entirely – Gulfstream Property and Casualty Insurance Co., Avatar Property & Casualty Insurance Co., and FedNat Insurance Co. All three failed the test devised by Connecticut-based Risk & Regulatory Consulting, LLC, a firm that had long worked closely with the Florida Office of Insurance Regulation.

Overall, excluding several outliers, insurers claimed $432 million in losses while paying fees to their affiliates that generated $1.3 billion in net income from 2017 to 2019, according to an analysis of the consultant’s examination of 53 property insurers with prominent positions in Florida’s market.

After learning earlier this week of the Senate’s disclosure of that information in response to a public records request, the Senate’s general counsel, Tom Thomas, demanded the news organizations destroy the records, writing they were inadvertently released and “contain sensitive, proprietary trade secrets.” He wrote that any further use of the records would be a third-degree felony under Florida law.

The news organizations acquired the documents as part of a yearlong investigation into Florida’s property insurance market. The resulting series, dubbed “Uncovered,” launches in the coming weeks and includes a deeper look at insurers’ payments to their affiliates.

First Amendment advocates, as well as the news organizations’ top editors, said the Senate’s demand was a dramatic overreach.

“We obtained these records legally and appropriately through the state’s public records process,” Gretchen Day-Bryant, executive editor of the Sun Sentinel, and Roger Simmons, executive editor of the Orlando Sentinel, said in a joint statement. “The First Amendment guarantees our right to publish these findings, and we will not allow the Florida Senate’s threats to prevent us from reporting. Homeowners deserve to know this important information that hits their pocketbooks.”

Once a governmental body releases information pursuant to a lawful request by the public, the “cat is literally out of the bag,” said Ken Paulson, director of the Free Speech Center at Middle Tennessee State University.

“The press has a full First Amendment right to use their knowledge in reporting on matters of public interest,” he said.

The effort to keep the analysis secret also has drawn sharp reaction from critics as the latest in a long line of Florida government attempts to protect and bolster insurers.

“Who are we trying to protect here — the giant property insurance companies, or ratepayers and our constituents?” said state Sen. Carlos Guillermo Smith, D-Orlando, who has pushed legislation to require broader public disclosure of financial information insurers use to justify rate hikes, including all transactions between an insurer and any affiliate.

The records acquired by the Sentinel and Sun Sentinel expand and detail the broad findings in an executive summary of the report, which was first obtained by the Miami Herald and Tampa Bay Times in 2025.

Those outlets waited two years after their public records request for the state agency to release that portion of the report. The documents they received contained an industry overview but no information about the individual practices of the 53 insurers reviewed — details which are included in the full report released this summer by the Senate.

Still, that earlier revelation sparked hearings in the Florida House and outrage from some lawmakers. They said the findings had been hidden from them as they approved sweeping financial and legal reforms that benefited the insurance industry in 2022-23.

State Insurance Commissioner Michael Yaworsky told a House committee in 2025 that the report, which was commissioned by his state Office of Insurance Regulation (OIR) in 2020 and 2021 at a cost of about $150,000, was an unfinished draft.

He has deepened his criticism of its contents in recent statements to the Sentinel and Sun Sentinel, branding the consultant’s work as flawed and outdated, and containing “a great deal of errors, inconsistencies, data validation issues and antiquated information.” OIR has declined the news organizations’ request to detail the alleged inaccuracies, claiming it would require the disclosure of protected data.

However, in an interview in August, Yaworsky also said he understands the concern about affiliate payments.

“We want more accountability in this space, but it’s a really interesting question because of the perception of like almost a conflict of interest among the investor class that at that point they’re able to game the system to get undue earnings when people are paying more for insurance,” he said. “I totally get that. And I think we’ve done a lot in that space to bring it under control, make sure there’s confidence in it, but we continue to pursue for more.”

With support from OIR, the Florida House passed bills earlier this year increasing oversight of affiliate payments and boosting consumer transparency of insurer finances. But those measures died in the Senate.

The practice of using — and paying — affiliated companies to perform certain services is legal under Florida law and has long been accepted in the insurance industry. Companies argue it is more efficient to use separate entities to oversee claims processing, for example, or to manage certain functions of their operations.

But consumer advocates have worried that the affiliate structure can allow insurers to hide income as they seek state approval of rate increases, and some suggest affiliates should be paid only on a fee-for-service basis.

The consultant’s study found that few, if any, state and regional insurers employ a fee-for-service approach, instead often paying their affiliates a set percentage of the premiums they collect from policyholders.

Insurers’ affiliated managing general agents (MGAs), which administer policy and claims operations, had agreements that charged from 20% to 34% of premiums, according to the report. Total affiliated fees, including the MGA, claims, commissions, and investment management, reached as high as 63%, the report found.

Florida law requires only that such payments be “fair and reasonable,” a common term in such analyses which often is not well-defined, and particularly so in the state’s statutes.

In its examination of the “fair and reasonable” standard, the consultant compared the insurers’ net income, which is public, to their affiliates’ net income, which typically is not disclosed and which at least some insurers assert is a trade secret, the consultant said. The consultant said it based its determinations on Florida law but also on a number of other factors, including analysis of fair and reasonable thresholds by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

Insurers have frequently relied upon trade secret claims under Florida law to block the public’s access to information about how they handle their finances, the Sentinel and Sun Sentinel reported in an article earlier this year.

The consultant determined that 19 of the 35 state and regional insurers it examined at the request of OIR paid affiliate fees that presumptively were not fair and reasonable. But it concluded only one of the 18 national insurers did so, although it said it was unable to make determinations about many national insurers and some state insurers because of a lack of information.

Among the additional details in the report:

    American Platinum Property and Casualty and its sibling company Universal Property & Casualty claimed a combined loss of $11.1 million from 2017 to 19 while an affiliate earned about $166 million in net income.
    Heritage Property & Casualty Insurance Co. reported nearly $81 million in losses from 2017 to 2019, while its affiliates generated $174 million in net income.
    FedNat Insurance and a subsidiary reported a loss of $42 million from 2017 to 19 while its affiliates made at least $79.4 million. The core insurance company was declared insolvent in 2022.

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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2026/09/19 … -finances/

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anon user #3
#2 Yesterday 12:55:59

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

siren

Overall, excluding several outliers, insurers claimed $432 million in losses while paying fees to their affiliates that generated $1.3 billion in net income from 2017 to 2019, according to an analysis of the consultant’s examination of 53 property insurers with prominent positions in Florida’s market.

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anon user #3
#3 Yesterday 13:05:22

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

ARREST THEM ALL!!!!

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anon user #3
#4 Yesterday 13:06:51

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#5 Yesterday 13:20:07

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

privatize the profits & socialize the risks

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#6 Yesterday 13:31:45

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

Since you live at Flying-J, why does this concern you?

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anon user #3
#7 Yesterday 13:35:08

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wrote:

Since you live at Flying-J, why does this concern you?

Projection.

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#8 Yesterday 13:42:17

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anon user #3 wrote:

Projection.

When Flying-J hands you all mail addressed to "Occupant," that tells us all about projection.

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#9 Yesterday 13:46:17

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

Rational people have been screaming for decades now that building multi-billion dollar shyts on the shore especially in florida is generally a very stupid idea and will cost you all.  But the people that like having beachside mansions are all rich so there you go.

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Sockpuppet
#10 Yesterday 14:03:08

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

Each parcel in the US is allowed to be destroyed one time by a natural disaster. It can then be rebuilt. If it is destroyed a second time it can’t be rebuilt and that parcel is forever prevented from holding a dwelling.

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anon user #3
#11 Yesterday 14:17:23

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Sockpuppet wrote:

Each parcel in the US is allowed to be destroyed one time by a natural disaster. It can then be rebuilt. If it is destroyed a second time it can’t be rebuilt and that parcel is forever prevented from holding a dwelling.

The trouble is it doesn't work quite how you think or how the media tends to present it.  In actuality it's usually not just buildings near the ocean being completely blown away by a monster hurricane.  The damage can more be localized flooding even 100 miles in-land.  For Hurricane Ian in 2021 all sorts of areas had massive Flooding even when they weren't in a flood zone or even near it.

To give you an idea, most of this is in-land:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzYtnzI9u0

Once the water gets into a car, it's done for.  It'll never be the same again even if you pay thousands.  For a house once water gets in and develops mold, it's going to cost tens of thousands or maybe even total the property.  The flooding often does more damage than the winds.

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anon user #3
#12 Yesterday 14:19:43

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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=445834327614270

This neighborhood is 1-2 miles away from the river and about 3 miles from the ocean.  It's localized flooding.

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#13 Yesterday 14:28:37

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Sockpuppet wrote:

Each parcel in the US is allowed to be destroyed one time by a natural disaster. It can then be rebuilt. If it is destroyed a second time it can’t be rebuilt and that parcel is forever prevented from holding a dwelling.

Idiotic.  We have science these days... that is a lot more responsive and accurate than a "two strikes and your out" rule that we all know will lead to people gaming the system and getting us into truly perverse situations.

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anon user #3
#14 Yesterday 14:45:34

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Idiotic.  We have science these days... that is a lot more responsive and accurate than a "two strikes and your out" rule that we all know will lead to people gaming the system and getting us into truly perverse situations.

The other thing too is we can easily go nine or ten years without a single hurricane.  I think from 2005 - 2014 was like that here.  I don't recall a hurricane touching us over here in that time.  Katrina completely missed me but of course did horrible damage elsewhere.

It's possible a given area could go 20 years without a hurricane.  We also have houses here right near the river or ocean that are 120 years old.  Not just a few but thousands of them.  That tells you that it isn't as bad as it might seem or else these houses would not be standing.

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VP_Spiro_T_Cheney
#15 Yesterday 15:56:54

Re: How Florida fights to hide insurers’ finances, companies secretly sent billions to affiliated companies while claiming losses

Of course those insurance companies were giving generously to the GOP state senators and insurance commission employees who were hiding the corruption  from the public.

Republican Culture of Corruption (tm)

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#16 Yesterday 16:23:12

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VP_Spiro_T_Cheney wrote:

Of course those insurance companies were giving generously to the GOP state senators and insurance commission employees who were hiding the corruption  from the public.

Republican Culture of Corruption (tm)

ITS NOT CORRUPT WHEN WE DO IT!
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repuke

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Spanky
#17 Yesterday 16:28:07

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anon user #3 wrote:

The trouble is it doesn't work quite how you think or how the media tends to present it.  In actuality it's usually not just buildings near the ocean being completely blown away by a monster hurricane.  The damage can more be localized flooding even 100 miles in-land.  For Hurricane Ian in 2021 all sorts of areas had massive Flooding even when they weren't in a flood zone or even near it.

To give you an idea, most of this is in-land:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzYtnzI9u0

Once the water gets into a car, it's done for.  It'll never be the same again even if you pay thousands.  For a house once water gets in and develops mold, it's going to cost tens of thousands or maybe even total the property.  The flooding often does more damage than the winds.

I fully understand that. And actually, I was going to respond to post #9 with the same comment. A lot of damage is inland. My dad's home is in inland Florida (Orlando-ish area) and he has had damage (not total) from hurricanes on several occasions over the years.

But my comment you are replying to now was not limited to oceanfront properties. My comment applied to all properties anywhere within the US. The property gets one rebuild. If the rebuilt dwelling is subsequently destroyed, then no additional dwellings can ever be constructed on that land.  It's just common sense.

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Spanky
#18 Yesterday 16:31:29

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wrote:

Idiotic.  We have science these days... that is a lot more responsive and accurate than a "two strikes and your out" rule that we all know will lead to people gaming the system and getting us into truly perverse situations.

There is no science that can tell you which house will or won't be hit by a natural disaster.

If a house gets hit once, it could be a freak accident.

If a house gets hit twice, it is a pattern.

If you want to modify my rule from "forever" to "50 years" or something, then I am fine with that discussion. But continuing to rebuild dwellings on the same properties after multiple destructions due to natural disaster is totally insane.

MOMMY, LET'S REBUILD THAT HOUSE ON THE BARRIER ISLAND FOR THE 17TH TIME!!!
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winner

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#19 Yesterday 16:35:46

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VP_Spiro_T_Cheney wrote:

Of course those insurance companies were giving generously to the GOP state senators and insurance commission employees who were hiding the corruption  from the public.

Republican Culture of Corruption (tm)

Are you invested in Big Insurance?

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#20 Yesterday 16:38:22

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Spanky wrote:

I fully understand that. And actually, I was going to respond to post #9 with the same comment. A lot of damage is inland. My dad's home is in inland Florida (Orlando-ish area) and he has had damage (not total) from hurricanes on several occasions over the years.

Sounds like The Villages.
Given the growth around Orlando, future hurricane damage for that area will be brutally expensive.

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#21 Yesterday 16:39:31

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wrote:

Rational people have been screaming for decades now that building multi-billion dollar shyts on the shore especially in florida is generally a very stupid idea and will cost you all.  But the people that like having beachside mansions are all rich so there you go.

See Cape Coral.

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Spanky
#22 Yesterday 16:46:01

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wrote:

Sounds like The Villages.
Given the growth around Orlando, future hurricane damage for that area will be brutally expensive.

He bags, but not too hard. Does not live in The Villages.

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anon user #3
#23 Yesterday 17:03:52

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Spanky wrote:

He bags, but not too hard. Does not live in The Villages.

Your dad might live next to my dad. lol  He's in the northwest suburbs.

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#24 Yesterday 17:08:20

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anon user #3 wrote:

Your dad might live next to my dad. lol  He's in the northwest suburbs.

Apopka?  Zellewood?  Mt. Dora?
The growth around Zellewood & the Wekiva Parkway has been brutal.

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#25 Yesterday 18:02:32

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Spanky wrote:

There is no science that can tell you which house will or won't be hit by a natural disaster.

If a house gets hit once, it could be a freak accident.

If a house gets hit twice, it is a pattern.

If you want to modify my rule from "forever" to "50 years" or something, then I am fine with that discussion. But continuing to rebuild dwellings on the same properties after multiple destructions due to natural disaster is totally insane.

MOMMY, LET'S REBUILD THAT HOUSE ON THE BARRIER ISLAND FOR THE 17TH TIME!!!
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winner

You're wrong as shyt.  It's not even a debate. You're just running your mouth because you're ignorant that there is an entire discipline dedicated to this very thing.  Pays very well too. DUMBFUQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuarial_science

Actuarial science is the discipline that applies mathematical and statistical methods to assess risk in insurance, pension, finance, investment, psychology, medicine, and other industries and professions.

Actuaries are professionals trained in this discipline. In many countries, actuaries must demonstrate their competence by passing a series of rigorous professional examinations focused in fields such as probability and predictive analysis. According to the U.S. News & World Report, their job often has to do with using mathematics to identify risk so they can mitigate risk.

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