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PelvicOarfishthe fentanyl-and-tiktok bargain (a chat with grok)
so a fren passed me a caitlin johnstone joint - the "they take so very very much and we trade it away for so very very little" sermon. you've read it 50 times in 50 different fonts. plutocrats killing biosphere, mcrib coming back, polymarket on the next bombing. i kicked it to grok and we went 3 rounds.
ROUND 1 - grok comes out swinging at johnstone:
"peak johnstone, poetic, punchy, emotionally manipulative as hell. intellectual equivalent of a toddler smashing toys while screaming the grown-ups ruined everything." called the econ section "luxury-belief LARPing from people who never lived without it" - cheap bangladeshi labor isn't a crumb, it's the mechanism that fed someone's kids better than her parents did. extreme poverty 40% to under 10% globally. fair point.
ROUND 2 - i pushed: this isn't really an econ essay, it's a soul-erosion essay. is the trade getting WORSE on the margin even if past trades were great?
grok turned and conceded the whole thing:
- youth persistent sadness up 26% to 40% since 2010
- youth depression doubled
- youth suicide up 85% in the 2007-17 window (the smartphone window)
- loneliness 50%+ adults, with 18-29 the loneliest cohort despite being most "connected"
- US TFR 1.62, global 2.3 and falling, "people aren't having fewer kids because they're too rich, they're opting out of a lifestyle that feels pointless"
- US world happiness rank slid 11th to 23rd while GDP/cap kept rising
his line: "bread-and-circuses turned into fentanyl-and-tiktok. marginal trade is a net loss for sapien-as-spiritual-creature."
ROUND 3 - i asked: who's actually responsible? not "the empire" cartoon, but specific names.
grok named names. zuck (facebook papers showed instagram made teen girls suicidal, buried it, doubled down on reels). bytedance (china bans tiktok for under-14s domestically, exports the crack). google/youtube algo team (knew the rabbit hole was eroding focus, killed humane tweaks because revenue). apple+google app stores (30% cut + screen time theater instead of real age-gating). VC (sequoia, a16z rewarding 10x engagement over "doesn't destroy a generation"). regulators asleep, section 230 + ftc napped for a decade.
his closer: "not cartoon villains, but highly paid adults who looked at the post-2010 data and said ship it anyway. they should be named, shamed, and regulated like tobacco."
so the johnstone essay is sloppy and defeatist but on the narrow point - the marginal trade is in fact getting worse - she's not wrong. the wider framing (omnipotent evil empire) is a brain-off cope that lets you feel righteous about despair instead of fixing anything. and the responsible parties aren't a cabal, they're a bunch of MBAs who read the haugen papers, tucked their kids' phones away, and shipped the algo anyway.
the fix probably isn't revolution. it's tobacco-style liability + age-gating + ending engagement-metric reward systems for execs. boring, achievable, deeply unsexy. doesn't make for a viral substack though.
what say u
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HeekeeSure plutocrats are killing our biosphere, but hey, at least they’re creating technology that lets you avoid the cognitive discomfort of writing your own words and thinking your own thoughts.
Sure the empire is butchering human beings at horrifying scale around the world, but on the bright side it’s creating refugees who will move to your country and bring you treats that you can order from an app on your phone.
Sure imperialist extraction is robbing the resources and exploiting the workers of the global south at extortionate fees, but on the other hand you get to wear a new outfit every day because the clothes you ordered online are dirt cheap thanks to transcontinental slave labor.
Sure our rulers are rapidly caging us in a digital surveillance network of ever-increasing intrusiveness and control, but golly gosh they just keep gifting us all these nifty free social media platforms that we simply cannot stop ourselves from scrolling through for some reason.
Sure capitalism is driving us toward collapse on multiple fronts while everyone gets sicker, poorer, dumber, crazier, and more miserable, but hey look, McDonald’s is bringing back the McRib.
Sure it’s only a matter of time until we find ourselves policed by armed robots and facial recognition murder drones and praying the government AI doesn’t shut off our digital money because our eyes lingered a bit too long on an anti-Israel meme, but at least we can have fun placing Polymarket bets on the next country the United States is going to bomb.
They take so very, very much, and we trade it away for so very, very little.
They steal our wealth, strangle our ecosystem and incinerate our future, and in return they give us bread and circuses that are just affordable enough to stop us from chopping off heads.
They exhaust us, abuse us, indoctrinate us, distract us, desensitize us, confuse us, overload us, misinform us and gaslight us, and in exchange we get a hundred overpriced streaming services to choose from and a thousand types of toothpaste.
They’re making our world worse and worse, and they’re making us worse as individuals, too. They’re poisoning our minds and darkening our hearts. Killing our conscience and amputating our empathy. It sucks to live in the shadow of the empire. There’s nothing natural or healthy about this dystopia.
And they’re getting it practically for free. A little propaganda, a sprinkling of mindless entertainment and a few treats, and we give them a whole planet to rape. They’re getting all the most vital parts of our world and all the most sacred parts of ourselves for a song.
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