> The truth about the Ukraine war and why the USA will never let it end

#1 2024-04-17 14:50:46

Our new forever war, this will go on longer than 20 years.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Zelensky said, okay, okay, we'll be neutral.
Russia said, okay, we can discuss everything, but you'll be neutral.
And then the United States stepped in because we're incompetent.
And the British stepped in because they are vulgarly cynical, imperial and incompetent, and said to the Ukrainians, keep fighting.

What is Russia trying to do?
It's trying to keep NATO out of Ukraine.
It's very straightforward.
And it's been clear for 25 or 30 years to those of us who watch these things that the US policy of pushing NATO to Ukraine would be like China pushing a military
base on the Rio Grande, or what the Soviet Union did, which was trying to put missile bases into Cuba in 1962.
It would lead to war eventually if we persisted in this.
That's why at every opportunity, President Putin
said, we have an off ramp.
Stop this provocative behavior.
Not only did we not stop it, but when a Ukrainian government got in the way of the US neocon plans, that is, the government of Viktor Yanukovych got in the way of NATO enlargement because he believed wisely in
Ukraine's neutrality as a bridge between a nervous Russia and an expansionist US Military Alliance.
The US overthrew him in February 2014, and even after that.
And then many things happened.
But the US started arming Ukraine, and Russian ethnic regions in the east broke away even as late as December 2021.
As we discussed, President Putin said, look, stop the NATO enlargement.
We can avoid conflict.
That's when I talked to Jake Sullivan.
When others tried, nobody wanted to hear in the administration.
They thought they had all of the winning hand.
This is where incompetence comes in, I'm afraid.
And this Special Military Operation
ensued in February 2022.
What was its purpose?
Its purpose was a neutral Ukraine, very plainly, because within six weeks, Zelensky said, okay, okay, we'll be neutral.
Russia said, okay, we can discuss everything, but you'll be neutral.
And then the United States stepped in because we're incompetent.
And the British stepped in because they are vulgarly cynical, imperial and incompetent, and said to the Ukrainians, keep fighting.
And Zelensky made a fatal mistake, fateful and fatal for hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.
He said, okay, we abandon the negotiated agreement and we continue fighting.
And that's where we are until today.

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#2 2024-04-17 15:05:15

1) It's not really about the US. We're giving aid to one of the parties.
2) No US troops have been sent to Ukraine, fought in Ukraine, or died in Ukraine.

#3 2024-04-17 15:59:04

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2) No US troops have been sent to Ukraine, fought in Ukraine, or died in Ukraine.

yet

#4 2024-04-17 16:00:10

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1) It's not really about the US. We're giving aid to one of the parties.
2) No US troops have been sent to Ukraine, fought in Ukraine, or died in Ukraine.

Special Forces operators have been in there since 2014.

#5 2024-04-17 16:16:26

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yet

If it comes to that, Russia had better have a lot of body bags.

#6 2024-04-17 16:35:15

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1) It's not really about the US. We're giving aid to one of the parties.
2) No US troops have been sent to Ukraine, fought in Ukraine, or died in Ukraine.

This. The projection that this is US conflict is false.

#7 2024-04-17 17:15:32

Foreign Affairs writes about the "hidden history" of diplomacy that could have ended the war.
It was not "hidden"! The media refused to report on verifiable facts & smeared anyone who discussed it as "Putinists" and "propagandists"
Why did the media fail to report on the following:
- On the first day after Russia invaded, Zelensky confirmed that Moscow contacted them to negotiate peace based on neutrality
- On the third day after the invasion, both Moscow and Kiev confirmed negotiations would start based on restoring Ukrainian neutrality.
- The US spokesperson, Ned Price, argued the US could not support the peace negotiations as this war was much greater than Ukraine
- The Israeli and Turkish mediators at the negotiations confirmed they were close to an agreement as Russia would compromise on everything besides neutrality / end of NATO expansionism, but the US and UK blocked it as they saw an opportunity to weaken Russia by fighting with Ukrainians
- The head of Zelensky's political party confirms there was a deal, and the former advisor of Zelensky also confirms there was a deal but the Americans could get the Russians and Ukrainians to fight each other.
- Ukrainian ambassador Chalyi who participated in the peace negotiations argues Putin "tried everything" to get a peace agreement and they were very close to a deal before it was postponed
- General Harald Kujat, former head of the German Army and Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, argues a deal reached before the US and UK sabotaged it by telling Zelensky they would not support the peace agreement but would give him all the weapons he needed to defeat Russia on the battlefield. According to Kujat, the US and UK saw an opportunity to kill Russians and thus weaken a strategic rival

This has been an amazing propaganda campaign, appealing to the best in humanity to do the worst. They provoked a war and sabotaged all paths to peace to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, and they sold it to the public as "supporting" and "helping" Ukraine. Almost every "pro-Ukrainian" policy since the coup in 2014 failed to have support from the majority of Ukrainians and always ended in tragedy for their nation.
- The only reason we are now allowed to speak about the negotiations is that NATO has run out of Ukrainians and the war is lost. The public must therefore be prepared for a settlement after two years of claiming that Ukraine is winning while refusing to even sit down and talk with Russia. Absolutely disgusting and shameful!

#8 2024-04-17 17:19:26

Sorry, I don't accept "news" from right-wing fuqtards on Twitter.

You can fuq right off with your conspiracy shyt.

#9 2024-04-17 23:46:32

Why don't we just curb stomp that Ruscist dwarf and send Xi a message: "Fuq around and find out"

#10 2024-04-17 23:59:04

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Why don't we just curb stomp that Ruscist dwarf and send Xi a message: "Fuq around and find out"

'We'? Why don't you, tough guy?

#11 2024-04-18 00:18:27

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Why don't we just curb stomp that Ruscist dwarf and send Xi a message: "Fuq around and find out"

That is what they tried to do. The thinking was instigating this war would fuq the Russian economy and turn the people against Putin. He would be deposed and the US CIA would put in a puppet. High stakes shyt.

It didn't work.

#12 2024-04-18 01:00:07

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That is what they tried to do. The thinking was instigating this war would fuq the Russian economy and turn the people against Putin. He would be deposed and the US CIA would put in a puppet. High stakes shyt.

It didn't work.

I don't see F35s working over Russian air defenses, etc.

#13 2024-04-18 01:00:55

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'We'? Why don't you, tough guy?

I served, you probably didn't, fruity pants.

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