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Phillip_McCavity
#76 2021-12-18 02:46:57

Re: About the VAERS system

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

Summary

What is already known about this topic?

Although deaths after COVID-19 vaccination have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, few studies have been conducted to evaluate mortality not associated with COVID-19 among vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.

What is added by this report?

During December 2020–July 2021, COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality than did unvaccinated persons after adjusting for age, sex, race and ethnicity, and study site.

What are the implications for public health practice?

There is no increased risk for mortality among COVID-19 vaccine recipients. This finding reinforces the safety profile of currently approved COVID-19 vaccines in the United States. All persons aged ≥12 years should receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

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WeHaveAProblem
#77 2021-12-18 06:25:38

Re: About the VAERS system

Original_Lonely_Guy wrote:

Time to lock this thread or delete it, Phil.

Fuq off you QUNT.


HeeKee bitchslap Phildo over this thread that's why it is still up.

The little bald cheese monger does what he is told.

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WeHaveAProblem
#78 2021-12-27 17:17:38

Re: About the VAERS system

bump

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Phillip_McCavity
#79 2021-12-27 17:29:06

Re: About the VAERS system

Thanks for bumping.

Its important for people to read the study above which shows that vaccinated status has no effect on health unrelated to Covid-19 which can be measured in any statistically meaningful way.

In other words, anecdotal reports are either untrue or are within the range expected for the age group.

Here is a video where a health expert explains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyLlQ49a4XM

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WeHaveAProblem
#80 2021-12-28 15:54:08

Re: About the VAERS system

Only 1% of adverse reactions get reported in VAERS.

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Phillip_McCavity
#81 2021-12-28 16:07:04

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WeHaveAProblem wrote:

Only 1% of adverse reactions get reported in VAERS.

More qanon garbage

Its a system designed to tell what possible conditions should be investigated, it does not provide insight as to how frequent they are.

Anytime you see someone trying to use the number of reports there as an indication of its frequency, you are looking at a conspiracy theory.

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Phillip_McCavity
#82 2021-12-28 16:44:39

Re: About the VAERS system

Deleted a qanon post.

Link to government data, with government instructions and disclaimers, please.

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Phillip_McCavity
#83 2021-12-28 16:58:52

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WeHaveAProblem wrote:

Same report from The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) U.S. Department of Health and Human Services:


https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/ … t-2011.pdf


mittens

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#84 2021-12-28 17:00:25

Re: About the VAERS system

Phillip_McCavity wrote:

Thanks for bumping.
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boring

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Phillip_McCavity
#85 2021-12-28 17:01:12

Re: About the VAERS system

Usually not my policy to edit, so I simply copied and removed qanon link.

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Phillip_McCavity
#86 2021-12-28 17:11:06

Re: About the VAERS system

The 1% figure is a classic misinterpretation, the researchers did not mean to suggest, for instance, that if 20 people report getting a rash that 2000 probably did.

You have to start by making certain that the vaccine really caused the reported effect.

So of the 20 reporting getting a rash, if you learn 10 of them walked in poison ivy, you can discount those cases.

Then if you learn 8 people have allergies to latex, and latex was used in the health workers gloves, then the answer isn't the vaccine, but be sure to ask the patent and use the right equipment.

Now that you 2 left, maybe those were caused by the vaccine.

What the underreporting factor means is that a researcher should not wait for many reports of a particular effect to begin investigation. Nor should it determine the priority of what should be investigated.


In short: stop listening to conspiracy theorists trying to weaponize what is legitimate data and make it seem like there is some conspiracy to distribute an unsafe product.

The vaccine would be pulled from the market immediately if there were a serious problem detected. As of now, there are none, and with over 200 million people vaccinated, any case now identified would be incredibly rare.

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WeHaveAProblem
#87 2021-12-28 17:13:57

Re: About the VAERS system

Phillip_McCavity wrote:

Usually not my policy to edit, so I simply copied and removed qanon link.

"my policy" = anything that triggers my cognitive dissonance and interferes with my confirmation bias.


The same document was available at both links.

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#88 2021-12-28 17:17:39

Re: About the VAERS system

WeHaveAProblem wrote:

"my policy" = anything that triggers my cognitive dissonance and interferes with my confirmation bias.


The same document was available at both links.

phildo is psychotic, deranged, and a total fuqing scumbag fraud.

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WeHaveAProblem
#89 2021-12-28 17:30:50

Re: About the VAERS system

You can safely ignore what Phil says, his cognitive dissonance is so severe he simply cannot process data that challenges his uneducated views.

Read the full results section below, written by credentialed scientists and supported by the US AHRQ.





Here are the results from the Lazarus Study:

"Results

Preliminary data were collected from June 2006 through October 2009 on 715,000 patients, and 1.4 million doses (of 45 different vaccines) were given to 376,452 individuals. Of these
doses, 35,570 possible reactions (2.6 percent of vaccinations) were identified. This is an average of 890 possible events, an average of 1.3 events per clinician, per month. These data were presented at the 2009 AMIA conference.

In addition, ESP:VAERS investigators participated on a panel to explore the perspective of clinicians, electronic health record (EHR) vendors, the pharmaceutical industry, and the FDA
towards systems that use proactive, automated adverse event reporting. Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of
ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health.

New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians’ usual workflow, takes time, and is duplicative. Proactive, spontaneous, automated adverse event reporting imbedded within EHRs and other information systems has the potential to speed the identification of problems with new
drugs and more careful quantification of the risks of older drugs.

Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants
responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with testing and evaluation."

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Phillip_McCavity
#90 2021-12-28 17:32:51

Re: About the VAERS system

WeHaveAProblem wrote:

"my policy" = anything that triggers my cognitive dissonance and interferes with my confirmation bias.


The same document was available at both links.

Which is why I felt I could remove the qanon link and still answer your basic point, which is a misunderstanding of a statement made in that paper.


See, some people want their world view to be the correct one so badly that they'll misread legitimate data, or cherry pick statements, or even abandon truth altogether and just say whatever shyt they want to make up.

The virus is a biological machine. Its not a member of a political party. It wants to multiply and be successful. That is it.

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Phillip_McCavity
#91 2021-12-28 17:39:01

Re: About the VAERS system

WeHaveAProblem wrote:

You can safely ignore what Phil says, his cognitive dissonance is so severe he simply cannot process data that challenges his uneducated views.

Read the full results section below, written by credentialed scientists and supported by the US AHRQ.

Thank you for quoting the entire section.

The fundamental misinterpretation is still there, though, and its such a basic point that the authors just assume you know it.

As a first matter, this study is conducted from an earlier vaccine situation when there was less public interest and thus fewer reports than there would be today.

However, the main misinterpretation is that underreporting of a vaccine effect is only present if it actually is a vaccine effect, and VAERS reports exist not to tabulate the number of effects but to see the range of possible effects.

That is why these qanon people are nuts. There is no conspiracy to hide information from the public.


These vaccines are safe. How do I know that? 200 million people have had them.

But wait -- didn't someone die of the vaccine? Didn't someone get blood clots? Didn't someone get mayocarditis?

None of that matters, because of the low relative numbers involved.


Flying is safe.

People die in plane crashes.

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Phillip_McCavity
#92 2021-12-28 17:41:22

Re: About the VAERS system

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid … are-tactic

Don’t Fall for the ‘VAERS Scare’ Tactic

If I told you that a new vaccine triggered fifteen cases of allergic reactions, would you immediately demand the vaccine be taken off the market? I hope not. Hopefully, you would ask yourself an important question first: compared to what? Fifteen cases is the numerator of a fraction. What is the denominator? Fifteen cases out of how many that received the vaccine? Fifteen out of fifteen? That’s shocking! Fifteen out of a million? Hardly the same.

This is an important limitation of VAERS. It cannot be used, on its own, to figure out if an event following vaccination is common or rare. For example, when vaccines against the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus started to be used in the population at large, more and more reports of adverse events began to be submitted to VAERS. This should not come as a shock. Obviously, the more a vaccine is used, the more adverse events are likely to be reported. If a vaccine requires two doses instead of one, that’s twice as many opportunities for an undesired event to take place after a shot.

Moreover, if the background rate of the event being reported, meaning how common this event is in the population, goes up, it’s likely that its frequency in VAERS will also go up. If the diagnostic criteria for a condition are expanded, more people will receive the diagnosis, which will make it look like its incidence has suddenly increased. This is what happened with autism over the years, and since the diagnosis for autism is usually made around the time a child receives a number of vaccines, it’s easy to witness more reports of autism being filed following vaccination and to wrongly claim causation. VAERS can also be biased in an interesting way: mild events following a vaccine are less likely to get reported compared to more severe ones. Finally, there is also the fact that as an adverse event gets widely reported in the media, more people will pay attention to it, leading to an increase in reports to VAERS. This is known as stimulated reporting.

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#93 2021-12-29 17:18:23

Re: About the VAERS system

VAERS is even on the covid cards and they still try to downplay the deaths and injuries reported there.  lol

And they say 'trust us'!

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WeHaveAProblem
#94 2022-01-03 01:33:36

Re: About the VAERS system

bump

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WeHaveAProblem
#95 2022-01-11 22:14:40

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Full year data incoming............

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Education for Liberals
#96 2022-01-11 22:39:56

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WeHaveAProblem wrote:

Full year data incoming............

'qanon'  lol

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#97 2022-01-11 22:49:41

Re: About the VAERS system

Phillip_McCavity wrote:

Usually not my policy to edit, so I simply copied and removed qanon link.

what is the criteria for a QANON link so I don't post one?

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WeHaveAProblem
#98 2022-01-11 23:38:21

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Phil deleting government data again

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Phillip_McCavity
#99 2022-01-11 23:57:04

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WeHaveAProblem wrote:

Phil deleting government data again

It's not government data, it's organized trolling.

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WeHaveAProblem
#100 2022-01-12 00:03:21

Re: About the VAERS system

Phillip_McCavity wrote:

It's not government data, it's organized trolling.

Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.

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